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March 28, 2025
“Crush My Enemies,” Old Testament, “Love Your Enemies,” NT—Contradiction??
Dr. Jeremy Grinnell is here to answer tough questions! Jeremy earned his Ph.D. in Systematic Theology from Calvin Seminary in Grand Rapids, MI, and taught theology at a West MI seminary for nearly 15 years.
Here are the questions Jeremy takes on...
The Psalmist cries out for God to “Crush his enemies,” even their children! But Jesus comes along and says “Love them.” So Ron asks, “How do you explain the apparent contradiction with curses on enemies in the Psalms and Jesus saying ‘Love our enemies?’ ”
Adrianna asks, “When speaking about the adulteress women in Revelation 16, does she represent the Catholic church?” Short answer, “No.”
Stephanie asks, “In Joshua 7, Achan was guilty for stealing plunder from war when God had clearly commanded Israel not to take any. Why was his whole family stoned and burned? His wife and children probably weren’t guilty!”
Then when Jesus cried from the cross, “ ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me,’ what was really going on?” How could God be forsaken by God??
Jim wants to know, “With over 50 translations available, how there can be so much variation from translation to translation. For example, Acts 2:46 ends with ‘singleness of heart’ (KJV). There are about 7-8 variations of that phrase in other translations, what’s going on??”
John asks, “What do you think causes some people to choose a certain Christian belief system over another?”
Lastly, Kim shares, “I’m in a Bible study and the bible teacher was talking about the Israelites gathering manna as usual on day 6 and that God multiplied it to be enough for day 6 and 7 (the Sabbath).
“I had never heard that before. My version of the Bible says Moses tells the Israelites to gather twice as much on day 6 so they would have enough for the Sabbath. Did God multiply the manna or did they just gather extra on the 6th day?”
March 27, 2025
Covetousness – Brian Aulick
It’s all he could think about, talk about, and hope for. He wanted it more than anything! And it was just on the other side of the door. When Brian realized the door was locked, he wept.
When you long for something more than God, that’s covetousness.
If you regularly feel dissatisfied with your life, are willing to hurt others to get what you want…if you find yourself often thinking about how you can get more or struggle to be joyfully generous – or are carrying secret resentment, you might be struggling with covetousness.
Right there among sins like murder and adultery is the command, “Do not covet.” It’s a big deal to God! It hurts our relationship with Him and with others.
Brian Aulick, lead pastor of Engedi Church and host of the Made to Advance podcast shares practical steps to get victory over covetousness and fall more in love with Jesus.
March 26, 2025
The Disappearing Seat – Heather Holleman
Jesus revealed truth through story telling. And so does Heather.
Author Heather Holleman joins Perry and Shawna to talk about her new book The Disappearing Seat.
It’s book 2 of the Elita Brown series for young readers. Elita loves December, but this year, it seems everyone’s life is better than hers. Her friends are having amazing adventures and she’s jealous.
Plus, there’s a looming school-wide speech competition and Elita fears public speaking. And where is her mentor when Elita needs her most? In the end, Elita discovers the beautiful life God’s given her.
Perry, Shawna, and Heather talk about how jealousy interferes with being grateful for the seat we have at the table with Jesus; about the gift of nature in our walk with Jesus, the incredible blessing of journaling, and our need for mentors in this life, no matter our age.
Also in the episode...
During a bombing in Gaza, Rasim’s home was hit and it collapsed. His family was trapped in the rubble for 5 days able to breath because of a small space in the midst of concrete. The only reason they’re alive is because a man in a white robe brought them food and water.
Last, Kindness is powerful. Shawna reflects on how a complete stranger’s kind act of holding the door open for her brought her to tears. And tells a powerful story of God’s kindness towards her in a very specific way.
March 25, 2025
We’re Living in a Stressed-Out World
Stressed? Yeah, we get it. No one gets a pass on stress. We can’t eliminate stress from our lives. But we can build resilience and reduce anxiety.
Dr. Charles Stone, pastor, and author of Stress Less: 9 Habits from the Bible and Brain Science to Build Resilience and Reduce Anxiety joins us for a conversation about real life, real stress, and real peace.
From simple breathing techniques to having the right people around you Charles shares real-life steps for building resilience in our lives through relatable stories that might have you laughing out loud.
Also, in this episode, if you’ve ever wondered if your doubts will keep you from heaven, you’ve got hear the powerful last words of a sister in Christ who recently went to be with Jesus.
And Perry’s roommate his sophomore year at Olivet told him at the start of the year, “I’m an atheist.” Later that fall Reggie was saying, “You’re not going to believe this!” And the thing that happened in between was the work of God!
March 24, 2025
God’s Not Freaking Out
After snapping at her son, husband, and an ugly cry, Shawna realized that she was not trusting God in an area of her life and it was coming out sideways on others. If you’ve been coming out sideways lately, it might be worth having a conversation with God about what’s really going on and let Him meet you there.
Perry talks about one of his favorite films, Air (really bad language), starring Matt Damon. It showcases the beauty of American culture and at the same time the fierce idolatry of our culture. The film asks a fundamental question: “Who are you?” While the film gets that wrong it points to the only solid answer to that question.
Does love have a fragrance? Shawna shares how when she smells her mom’s face cream it smells like unconditional love. As she was reading about Mary Magdalene pouring perfume on Jesus and all the events that happened after that….including his death and resurrection…would the fragrance she poured on him been a part of each of those events? If so, without a doubt, that’s the fragrance of love.
Ben needs to apologize to someone he treated disrespectfully. He admits, “I know I need to but right now I’m too proud and afraid to do it.” And last, the fiery trial you may be going through will be turned into a new song to bring hope to those facing their fiery trials.
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Perry LaHaie
Perry LaHaie's passion is to know Jesus and make Him known. “I’m all in with Jesus but not all put together. I need Jesus right now as much as I did when I first started following Him!” Perry says. In addition to co-hosting Perry and Shawna Mornings, Perry is a singer, songwriter, recording artist, and advocate for those who haven’t yet heard the gospel, especially those in the Muslim world. Born and raised in northern Michigan, he earned a bachelor’s degree in Communications and a graduate degree in Cross- cultural Communications. Perry also serves with Frontiers, a worldwide ministry to Muslims. Perry and his bride, Teresa, call Holland, Michigan home. They have two adult children, Kali and Taylor, and Taylor’s bride, Bri.
Shawna Beyer
Shawna Beyer has a way of telling stories that create personal connection— to her, to one another, and to God. She has been a homeschool mom, church planter, project lead for a consulting company, and church staff member. Though she’s been involved in ministry with her husband (Dan) in Iowa, Arizona, and now Michigan, she was born and raised in Southern California and as they say, “You can take the girl out of California . . .” She is mom to four grown kids (Bryn, Drayson, Eden, and Haven) who no longer need her but humor her anyway. Shawna is passionate about the rhythms we weave into the fabric of our lives to fall more in love with God each day. Healthy foods are her go-to, but she will abandon that whole track in a heartbeat for a homemade cinnamon roll like Grandma used to make.
Perry and Shawna Mornings
The Perry and Shawna Podcast: Real life conversations reminding you that you’re Abba’s child and that you’re blessed to be a blessing and loved to share Jesus’ love.