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December 03, 2024
“The Body Keeps the Score” – Chuck DeGroat
Chuck was in his first pastorate, crushing it, seeing lives restored. Then he had a disagreement with the senior pastor and was fired. He was livid, wanted justice, andstuffed all the painful emotions. Eventually he ended up in a hospital, terribly ill because “the body does keep score.”
Chuck DeGroat is the Pastor of Pastoral Care and Christian Spirituality at Western Theological Seminary, Holland, MI. We have a powerful conversation about his latest book, Healing What’s Within: Coming Home to Yourself, and to God, When You’re Wounded, Weary, and Wandering.
Also in this healing conversation, when Chuck was younger and read the 3 questions God asked Adam and Eve after they fell, “Where are you? Who told you were naked? And did you eat of the tree?" Chuck took those questions as coming from an angry God.
Now he understands these are questions God asks us to invite us back home into his perfect love. Share this life-giving conversation!
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Chuck DeGroat
Chuck DeGroat is a professor of pastoral care and Christian spirituality at Western Theological Seminary in Holland, Michigan, where he also serves as the founding executive director of the clinical mental health counseling program. He is a licensed therapist, spiritual director, author, retreat leader speaker, and faculty member with the Soul Care Institute. As a therapist, he specializes in navigating issues of abuse and trauma, pastoral (and leadership) health, and doubt and dark nights on the faith journey. He trains clergy in handling issues of abuse and trauma, conducts pastor and planter assessments, and facilitates church consultations and investigations of abuse. Before transitioning to training and forming pastors, Chuck served as a pastor in Orlando and San Francisco. He and his wife, Sara, have been married for thirty years and have two adult daughters.
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Perry LaHaie's passion is to know Jesus and make Him known. “I’m all in with Jesus but not all put together. I need Jesus right now as much as I did when I first started following Him!” Perry says. In addition to co-hosting Perry and Shawna Mornings, Perry is a singer, songwriter, recording artist, and advocate for those who haven’t yet heard the gospel, especially those in the Muslim world. Born and raised in northern Michigan, he earned a bachelor’s degree in Communications and a graduate degree in Cross- cultural Communications. Perry also serves with Frontiers, a worldwide ministry to Muslims. Perry and his bride, Teresa, call Holland, Michigan home. They have two adult children, Kali and Taylor, and Taylor’s bride, Bri.
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Shawna Beyer has a way of telling stories that create personal connection— to her, to one another, and to God. She has been a homeschool mom, church planter, project lead for a consulting company, and church staff member. Though she’s been involved in ministry with her husband (Dan) in Iowa, Arizona, and now Michigan, she was born and raised in Southern California and as they say, “You can take the girl out of California . . .” She is mom to four grown kids (Bryn, Drayson, Eden, and Haven) who no longer need her but humor her anyway. Shawna is passionate about the rhythms we weave into the fabric of our lives to fall more in love with God each day. Healthy foods are her go-to, but she will abandon that whole track in a heartbeat for a homemade cinnamon roll like Grandma used to make.
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